Every single Alta and Oksøy class ship in the Norwegian Navy was accounted for during the period where Seymour Hersh claimed one was used to plant the charges on the Nord Stream pipeline.
You appear to be very confident in your OSINT analysis of ship movements etc. If you don't believe the narrative proposed by Hersh, why don't you apply your sources and analysis to try and work out who was responsible? Which boats were in the area? Do you believe boats were involved at all? Many journalists and commentators have gone out of their way to debunk one journalist's account of what happened - but very few journalists have actually invested efforts in trying to determine who was responsible for the explosion. This should be a huge story. The Washington Post went so far as to interview numerous high level sources in Europe - but only came to the conclusion that it was likely a State actor and it's also likely it wasn't Russia. So who was responsible? If you don't believe it was the United States and/or Norway, as alleged by Hersh, then why don't you apply your analytical skills and sources to try and determine the truth?
Wouldn't it be possible to travel on a big ship on a training mission, then board a RIB without ais and travel to and from the diving point at higher speed, all while big ship stays on the training mission course?
The Hersh article is weak at best. Doomberg confirms this in the opening statement, and is of such dubious content no response is merited by a major news outlet.
The NY Times should have had more to say on the Nordstream story than I’ve seen; however, they are under no obligation to address the Hersh story. Not as flimsy as it is, and no matter how much anyone may want to believe it.
Hersh is a journalistic giant. Sure.
He should know too, the story would never be printed by a major media outlet because it’s all conjecture.
As was pointed out by Oliver Alexander, also a Substack contributor, the ship’s alleged to have been used in the mission were not even in service. There are many other unconfirmed assertions. It’s a shame to see such a reputation as Hersh’s adding unwarranted credibility into this story. A big story, but one not yet told.
More important, and much less conspiratorial, is the simple irrefutable fact that Europe, and Germany especially, were not going to be buying Russian energy for the remainder of our lives. It’s over. FSRU anybody.
The nukes (power plants) my yet have a future too, as per slightly more fact filled Doomberg essays.
Russia had plenty to gain by blowing up their own pipe. Let’s see what Putin does “in retaliation”. Of course, we’d rather not, but here we are.
I find it comical you spend time debunking other journalists work specifically Seymour Hersh. This suggests to me that you’re threatened by his writings.
The AIS data shows the KNM Hinnøy being close to the site.
Close enough for divers with propulsion crafts (that would anyway be needed to carry the amount of explosives) to get to the site I believe (?)
Now lighter by the amount of explosives another small ship could have picked the divers back up later that day, no?
I don't know the range of the propulsion crafts put maybe they also just made it back to Bornholm where they would be picked up near the beach and rejoin another vessel.
This would at least how I would plan it if it needed to be stealth.
How do you account for the Alta before 29th June 2022?
According to wikipedia Haakonsvern Naval Base is a military installation not open to the public. Even if the ship was decommissioned in 2012 it might have been brought back into service. So the question is: how spotty is the satellite image data in June, and is there a gap large enough?
KMN Hinnøy looks like it was plenty in close proximity, and as such had plenty of opportunities, to launch a smaller, non-tracked craft. That would very likely be the MO for such an operation.
They asked some German security expert about the Hersh claims, but had to use Google translate, from English to German. So they ended up asking the German expert about "plant shaped explosives", as if the C4 was shaped like sea plants to hide it.
Because Google translate ended up translating "plant shaped charges" with "explosives charges shaped like plants". The German "expert" didn't mind answering such a silly question about fake plants made from hundreds of KG of C4, which gets to show how much of an expert he must be.
It includes the usual cardinal sin of casually equating explosive powers of kilograms of TNT with kg of C4.
And the same old insistence how the measured seismic activity must have come from the explosion of bombs, and couldn't be the force of 100+ bar of pressure, inside the pipelines, explosively unloading after shaped charges punctured their structure, making them pop like balloons.
Which would also be consistent with the damage patterns on the few photos we've gotten.
Yet certain parties insist how it must have been huge explosions, by huge bombs, that were measured, and thus did it. The German "expert" things it must have been sea mines launched from the surface, not like that would be super obvious and leave a ton of evidence or anything like that.
You do realise that vessel trackers are trivially easy to spoof?
Ha! They‘re scrapping it immediately after the crime to destroy the evidence!!1!!11!!!
No, honestly, thank you very much for researching that.
Hersh is completely discredited in this matter, I‘m afraid.
cheers, - kisch
You appear to be very confident in your OSINT analysis of ship movements etc. If you don't believe the narrative proposed by Hersh, why don't you apply your sources and analysis to try and work out who was responsible? Which boats were in the area? Do you believe boats were involved at all? Many journalists and commentators have gone out of their way to debunk one journalist's account of what happened - but very few journalists have actually invested efforts in trying to determine who was responsible for the explosion. This should be a huge story. The Washington Post went so far as to interview numerous high level sources in Europe - but only came to the conclusion that it was likely a State actor and it's also likely it wasn't Russia. So who was responsible? If you don't believe it was the United States and/or Norway, as alleged by Hersh, then why don't you apply your analytical skills and sources to try and determine the truth?
His documentation strongly suggests Seymour was operating on rumor not detailed evidence. Thanks for this followup report.
That's not the only thing that doesn't add up in the article. It's sad that it was taken seriously at all.
simp some more for the mighty USA, LMAO
Is Jeff Stein currently employed by US spook agencies or has past associations with US spook agencies? Track record of Sy Hersh much better.
Wouldn't it be possible to travel on a big ship on a training mission, then board a RIB without ais and travel to and from the diving point at higher speed, all while big ship stays on the training mission course?
M350 Alta was photographed July 23, and then what? What evidence do you have that it was actually scrapped and not fixed-up for September?
The Hersh article is weak at best. Doomberg confirms this in the opening statement, and is of such dubious content no response is merited by a major news outlet.
The NY Times should have had more to say on the Nordstream story than I’ve seen; however, they are under no obligation to address the Hersh story. Not as flimsy as it is, and no matter how much anyone may want to believe it.
Hersh is a journalistic giant. Sure.
He should know too, the story would never be printed by a major media outlet because it’s all conjecture.
As was pointed out by Oliver Alexander, also a Substack contributor, the ship’s alleged to have been used in the mission were not even in service. There are many other unconfirmed assertions. It’s a shame to see such a reputation as Hersh’s adding unwarranted credibility into this story. A big story, but one not yet told.
More important, and much less conspiratorial, is the simple irrefutable fact that Europe, and Germany especially, were not going to be buying Russian energy for the remainder of our lives. It’s over. FSRU anybody.
The nukes (power plants) my yet have a future too, as per slightly more fact filled Doomberg essays.
Russia had plenty to gain by blowing up their own pipe. Let’s see what Putin does “in retaliation”. Of course, we’d rather not, but here we are.
I find it comical you spend time debunking other journalists work specifically Seymour Hersh. This suggests to me that you’re threatened by his writings.
With no tracking anymore on a ship scheduled to be scrapped, it can go anywhere and then be scrapped when its mission is finished.
What claims exactly are refuted?
The AIS data shows the KNM Hinnøy being close to the site.
Close enough for divers with propulsion crafts (that would anyway be needed to carry the amount of explosives) to get to the site I believe (?)
Now lighter by the amount of explosives another small ship could have picked the divers back up later that day, no?
I don't know the range of the propulsion crafts put maybe they also just made it back to Bornholm where they would be picked up near the beach and rejoin another vessel.
This would at least how I would plan it if it needed to be stealth.
How do you account for the Alta before 29th June 2022?
According to wikipedia Haakonsvern Naval Base is a military installation not open to the public. Even if the ship was decommissioned in 2012 it might have been brought back into service. So the question is: how spotty is the satellite image data in June, and is there a gap large enough?
Good work. I hope the truth comes out. I think that was the idea behind the US once.
KMN Hinnøy looks like it was plenty in close proximity, and as such had plenty of opportunities, to launch a smaller, non-tracked craft. That would very likely be the MO for such an operation.
Btw: This analysis made it all the way into a "fact finder" article by German state funded Tagesschau; https://www.tagesschau.de/faktenfinder/nord-stream-explosionen-hersh-101.html
They asked some German security expert about the Hersh claims, but had to use Google translate, from English to German. So they ended up asking the German expert about "plant shaped explosives", as if the C4 was shaped like sea plants to hide it.
Because Google translate ended up translating "plant shaped charges" with "explosives charges shaped like plants". The German "expert" didn't mind answering such a silly question about fake plants made from hundreds of KG of C4, which gets to show how much of an expert he must be.
It includes the usual cardinal sin of casually equating explosive powers of kilograms of TNT with kg of C4.
And the same old insistence how the measured seismic activity must have come from the explosion of bombs, and couldn't be the force of 100+ bar of pressure, inside the pipelines, explosively unloading after shaped charges punctured their structure, making them pop like balloons.
Which would also be consistent with the damage patterns on the few photos we've gotten.
Yet certain parties insist how it must have been huge explosions, by huge bombs, that were measured, and thus did it. The German "expert" things it must have been sea mines launched from the surface, not like that would be super obvious and leave a ton of evidence or anything like that.